wildebus
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A couple of hours with the charger limited to 20A, and then changed so it could run upto its full 70A potential and we get an idea of both the Discharge and the Charge patterns on the Hybrid PbC/LiFePO4 Lead-Lithium Battery Bank.
The Results are pretty well as the Mathematics and the Logic would suggest.
The Lithium does the great majority of the work upto around 80% or so of its capacity (80Ah in this case), and the Lead Acid takes over after that point. In this example the AHs drawn is over 160Ah.
Going down to that 160Ah using the 300Ah Lead Bank would have "used up" a charge cycle by going below 50%. In this case, the Lead Bank only dropped to around 75% which should be much healthier for it in terms of Service Life.
The Lithium in going down to 80Ah used up one of its Charge Cycles, but as a key benefit of Lithium is supposed to be its much greater cycle count (and which is what makes it cheaper per Ah once that is taken into account), taking out a cycle from a Lithium Battery instead of a cycle from a Lead Acid battery is economically better.
On the Charge side, the Lithium recharged much faster meaning it will be ready for action for the next usage pattern, again reducing the Leads used and prolonging its service life Further.
From this data, even though it is just one day, it looks like this Hybrid Battery Bank should work as Clarks video suggests
Why would you not just get 2 100Ah Lithiums? Well that would take you down to the 80% DoD on both in this example and leave you with 40Ah of available capacity. The 300Ah Lead Bank here still has 75Ah before you even touch 50% DoD - and if need be could carry on to draw another 75Ah without a problem (that would draw into the longer term Service Life but having the reserve capacity there is a pretty good feeling )
Also the 300Ah Lead Carbon Battery bank costs 75% of the cost of the 100Ah Lithium Battery, so not only are you having greater capacity with many of the advantages of Lithium, you are saving a couple of hundred pounds at the same time.
Time will tell, but I believe this Hybrid Battery Setup should work out very well.
(You don't need the monitoring kit to the level I have but I think it is important to have the charging devices that can be programmed precisely (As well as being able to program the Voltage levels of Victron Mains Charger and Victron MPPT Charger, I can do the same with the Ablemail B2B Charger) for this setup to work however)
The Results are pretty well as the Mathematics and the Logic would suggest.
The Lithium does the great majority of the work upto around 80% or so of its capacity (80Ah in this case), and the Lead Acid takes over after that point. In this example the AHs drawn is over 160Ah.
Going down to that 160Ah using the 300Ah Lead Bank would have "used up" a charge cycle by going below 50%. In this case, the Lead Bank only dropped to around 75% which should be much healthier for it in terms of Service Life.
The Lithium in going down to 80Ah used up one of its Charge Cycles, but as a key benefit of Lithium is supposed to be its much greater cycle count (and which is what makes it cheaper per Ah once that is taken into account), taking out a cycle from a Lithium Battery instead of a cycle from a Lead Acid battery is economically better.
On the Charge side, the Lithium recharged much faster meaning it will be ready for action for the next usage pattern, again reducing the Leads used and prolonging its service life Further.
From this data, even though it is just one day, it looks like this Hybrid Battery Bank should work as Clarks video suggests
Why would you not just get 2 100Ah Lithiums? Well that would take you down to the 80% DoD on both in this example and leave you with 40Ah of available capacity. The 300Ah Lead Bank here still has 75Ah before you even touch 50% DoD - and if need be could carry on to draw another 75Ah without a problem (that would draw into the longer term Service Life but having the reserve capacity there is a pretty good feeling )
Also the 300Ah Lead Carbon Battery bank costs 75% of the cost of the 100Ah Lithium Battery, so not only are you having greater capacity with many of the advantages of Lithium, you are saving a couple of hundred pounds at the same time.
Time will tell, but I believe this Hybrid Battery Setup should work out very well.
(You don't need the monitoring kit to the level I have but I think it is important to have the charging devices that can be programmed precisely (As well as being able to program the Voltage levels of Victron Mains Charger and Victron MPPT Charger, I can do the same with the Ablemail B2B Charger) for this setup to work however)
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