Charcoal/wood burners for heating

Deadsfo

I have seen a number of full time travelling vans with chimneys and on board wood stoves for heating the inside of there vans ,and a specialist charcoal burner advertised for heating ,Has anybody used them,and is'nt carbon monoxide poisoning a big,if not FINAL problem
 

sean rua

I've used a wood-burner cum multi-fuel burner in a van for years, Deadsfo,
but, when I mentioned it on here, folk told me I was doing something bad and would die from the fumes etc.

They could well be right, so I won't say any more about it here.:)

sean rua.
 

whitevanwoman

I've used a wood-burner cum multi-fuel burner in a van for years, Deadsfo,
but, when I mentioned it on here, folk told me I was doing something bad and would die from the fumes etc.

They could well be right, so I won't say any more about it here.:)

sean rua.

ha ha, nice to see you back Sean, or is it just your ghost? :welcome:
Folks have been asking about you on a different (newish) forum, so you might want to pop over and say hello to them in your "In" thread. Hope you've been having good travels :drive:


Deadsfo, heating in vans and carbon monoxide poisoning can be a contentious subject which is what Sean is referring to. There's loads of posts on the forum about wood burning stoves in vans if you do a search, and plenty of discussions about the pros and cons.

Personally I'd definitely go for one if I had the money to buy and get one fitted, or if I had the skills to do it myself, and if I had the space in the van.

But have a read of the threads here and on other forums, do plenty of research and then mull it over before deciding as once you've cut a big hole in the roof for the flue, there's no going back..... :scared:
 

FULL TIMER

The idea of a multi fuel stove did appeal to me when building mine but as it already had an Eberspacher I made use of it, however it's like most things if installed and used correctly they are perfectly safe, install one in an air tight box on wheels and you could be in trouble. They were fitted in many traditional living wagons , trailers and narrow boats and I never heard of anyone dropping down dead because of it, I did come across these 2kw Dickinson Newport solid fuel heater | Wall mounted heaters | Ely Boat Chandlers which are designed for boats so they must be pretty safe to pass water way regs no doubt reflected in the price
 

Tony Lee

There is absolutely no doubt that any sort of open-to-the-living-quarters heater is a step or two closer to killing the occupants than is a sealed, externally vented type.

How much closer depends on the user, but regardless of how bulletproof either the heater or the occupant is, it would be foolish to use one in a small volume unless there is a reliable and functioning smoke detector and a reliable and functioning Carbon MONoxide detector installed.

I sometimes use a large catalytic heater (fitted with Oxygen depletion and gas flow failure cutouts) when running the forced-air furnace is too noisy or too power hungry, BUT I have three smoke alarms and three CO alarms installed - one of each in each room.

Having had wood-fired stoves in houses in the past, I would seriously question both the economy, but more especially the convenience, (and cleanliness) of using a solid fuel stove rather than a propane or diesel unit.
 

MATS

you can fit one but you need to inform every council as you arrive. They will then send an inspector to issue you a safety certificate and give advice on the the type of coal/wood you can burn. Some councils run a smoke free zone hence be careful as the inspector will be round to extinguish your fire. If you ring the local firestation they will also come round and fit you a free smoke alarm. Meanwhile you can relax and enjoy your new fire :lol-053:
 

Deadsfo

charcoal /woodburner

so a pretty contentious issue,I shall dig up the old threads on it,all the replies have sound comments to make.I have a wood burner at home
and cleanliness around the stove is an ongoing operation,as for cost ,one would only burn wood found and scavenged ,ordinary timber is'nt much good ,it burns to fast.old logs more than 2 years old are the best with certain woods being better than others,would be nice to do a bit of beachcombing and have your heating problems all solved,its ok whilst you are stopped but where do you store it if you are on the move.
 

Aladdinsane

Will any of the insurance companies be willing to insure a van with a wood burner?
 

gaz2676

Will any of the insurance companies be willing to insure a van with a wood burner?

tellin them would frighten me knowing fine well it s gonna be expensive or a no .....good luck to anyone doing it.... i think id be cackin meself all the time.... imagine havin to make a quick get away with the fire blazin away :scared:...romantic idea but a gas blown system aint too expensive an a damn sight cleaner an safer imho :blah::blah::cool:
 

Deadsfo

tellin them would frighten me knowing fine well it s gonna be expensive or a no .....good luck to anyone doing it.... i think id be cackin meself all the time.... imagine havin to make a quick get away with the fire blazin away :scared:...romantic idea but a gas blown system aint too expensive an a damn sight cleaner an safer imho :blah::blah::cool:

I think I tend to agree with the no vote,one would also have to have some other form of heating,,I can imagine it would be totally impractical getting up for an early start on a chilly morning and making the fire for the odd half hour it takes to get ready to rumble.
 

Deadsfo

on board wood burner

also forgot to mention in the unfortunate event of a collision I wouldnt want to be around when big chunks of steel start hurtling around the van !!:scared:
 

gaz2676

also forgot to mention in the unfortunate event of a collision I wouldnt want to be around when big chunks of steel start hurtling around the van !!:scared:

big hot chunks of steel with sharp edges and with no consideration of human safety ...also....wont look good in the accident book
 

splitty67

We have a woodburner fitted in our self built Transit camper and have to say it's the best thing we ever did. It means we can get away whatever the weather and be sure of keeping warm throughout the night. It doubles as a cooker and we've enjoyed several meals done on it so far,one of which was a big pan of chille for the music meet at The Brownlow,which was enjoyed by all,even the landlady and staff. We spent new year at Ribblehead at the back of the Station Inn where people were practically queueing up to come and bask in the warmth,they'd have spent the night there if we'd let them. As for the negative comments implying that anyone with a woodburner fitted in a moving vehicle must be a complete moron who's willing to run the risk of being showered with chunks of hot steel with no regard for human safety,I not only find those comments ill-founded but downright insulting as well,so they don't even deserve an answer. Suffice to say that EVERY safety issue has been scrupulously observed and it's not part of our plan to die in a campervan. It's a personal choice whether to have one or not,we chose to do so and are extremely happy we did,if you choose to have a blown air heater,that's fine too,happy camping.
 
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Tony Lee

"As for the negative comments implying that anyone with a woodburner fitted in a moving vehicle must be a complete moron who's willing to run the risk of being showered with chunks of hot steel with no regard for human safety,I not only find those comments ill-founded but downright insulting as well,so they don't even deserve an answer."

Strange. Either I missed those particular posts or this post is one of those "the lady doth protest too much me thinks"
 

splitty67

Nothing strange about it,you HAVE missed those posts,try the previous two to mine,but then you wouldn't see them would you because you're too busy being a smart-arse. "The lady doth protest too much?",what does that say about you? "Seriously question"all you like mate,but there's nothing I could tell you since you obviously already know everything.
 

n brown

Forum Member
i've had a lot of vans and most of those had woodburners,and my kids had burners in their vans too.very cosy and if you have a glass door very mesmerising !they're a bit messy,but so were the kids and i thought they were worth putting up with !heat rises so didn't worry about fumes too much,burnt coal,wood,old shoes,books,sawdust,anything to stay warm.nice to have the kids collect a load of pine cones.mainly we used skip wood,burns fast sure,but costs nowt and easy to find.
as for moving with the stove alight,obviously not a great idea,but i have driven 100's of miles with mine going when the van heater packed up. met a guy in france one bad winter who smashed a hole in an old cooker,stuck a bit of flexi pipe in the top and used that as a burner,he was still alive 3 months later.
but i think it's the mess as much as any potential danger that puts people off,plus the 'hassle' of collecting and storing fuel.
 

sean rua

Whitevanwoman,

Sorry about the late reply!
Btw, I did make a few posts on this forum, but they were mostly down in the imbeciles and raving loonies' section in the basement!
Phil did the right thing, imo, in segregating the main forum from all the high tension farting that goes on down below the watershed. :D

When I'm down there, I'm as bad as the rest of 'em, imo, but let's get back to this important post:

Basically, I think we'll find that full-on travellers, with family in tow and work commitments to meet whilst on the trail, will be the type to use burners ans stoves. And yes, this form of heat can be dusty and messy and a lot of work.

Others, with pristine icecreamvans, and whose mission on the road is primarily holidaying and tourism, would probably be advised to avoid burners and use instead the other forms of heating that have been mentioned.

I ain't going to advise anyone anything on here, as, like the Man said about advice:

" the Wise don't need it, and the Fools don't heed it."

Pretty pointless, so.

Also, I don't suppose I could ever shake off the time-warp I seem to live in, even if I wanted to. When you've seen something as natural all your life, 'tis hard to suddenly start fretting about other people's fears and worries about them.
When I first immigrated here, I saw some strange and wonderful things, some of which did make me stare in awe. Things like huge steam-engines a -puffing and a-blowing on the railways, and like the old fish- and chip -van ( old smokie, coke-powered cooking) that would do the rounds of the villages on Fridays.

For some reason, nobody seemed to be cowering at the thought of imminent death by explosion and chunks of shrapnel, but, more to the point, you could find some pretty substantial bones in the fish in those old days!

As for insurance issues, I have no idea, though somebody did tell me once that cigarette lighters, pressure-cookers and deep-fat fryers are banned in some quarters because they're very dangerous.

Good luck to all!

sean rua.
 

bodgerndog

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but i think it's the mess as much as any potential danger that puts people off,plus the 'hassle' of collecting and storing fuel.

I've used a small Windy Smithy stove in my caravan-based studio for the past year and have found wood briquettes are an ideal fuel...if you choose the right type, they're virtually smokeless, mess-free, apparently not nearly as carcinogenic as logs and you get a lot of calorific value for your money. They store in a very small space and last night I got 9 hours' burning out of one single bark briquette! You can mix them with wood or other fuels too, which helps get a much more efficient burn. So if I was going to instal a stove in my camper I'd choose a well-made, well-sealed stove and take a few packs of Verdo or Hotties with me.
 

AeroNautiCal

A properly installed, used and maintained charcoal/wood burner, in a well ventilated vehicle, vessel, cabin or shed, poses no significant risk to occupants.

I spent months researching such stoves and last year imported a beautiful, handmade stove from the US, from a company that's been building them for about a century.

As for the risk from collision, that applies to fractured gas piping too, or shorting from damaged wiring. Everything has a degree of risk... It's called living!
 

sean rua

Some nice posts on this thread!:)

Thanks to all contributors.

Regarding the terrible effects of collisions, does anybody remember that awful pile-up on the motorway in the south-west? It was near a firework display at a rugby club.:(

sean rua.
 

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