Using 240AC Only Fridge in a Campervan

wildebus

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My campervan will have no Gas on-board so a 3-way Fridge is neither an option or something I would want anyway, so Electric-only is my solution.
Due to the high price of DC Compressor Fridges, after some research I decided to install an AC Compresser Fridge. This post (and some future followups) will show the kind of power usage to expect and if the Electrical setup is sufficient. (My own will be I know but this analysis may be useful for others interested in a similar option.


Fridge: Class A++ 94L Fridge with icebox - £170
(Class A/A+ are available for less, but significantly less efficient. A 12V DC Fridge of comparable size will be around £700)
Inverter: Inverter used for testing is a 1000W Pure Sine Wave Inverter ~ £120
very unspecial Inverter by David, on Flickr
(The Inverter for regular running will be a Victron Pheonix 12/500 PSW Inverter which is more efficient but also - critically - noiseless)

Below is a video showing power draw into the Inverter (so it includes the energy overhead cost of the inverter as well as the power the Fridge is using). Before Video started, fridge temp dial set to off, Fridge unplugged and Inverter was turned off.

[video=youtube_share;T9JE46VwWxc]https://youtu.be/T9JE46VwWxc[/video]
The times below show the event changes during the video - you can see what is causing the power use to go up and down.

Times:
0:05 - Inverter Switched On
0:20 - Fridge Plugged in
0:30 - Fridge Door Opened (so Light comes on)
0:41 - Fridge Temp Dial turned to Max - Compressor In-rush Current comes on
0:45 - In-Rush Current ends
0:53 - Fridge Door Closed (so Light off)

Note that the power use you are seeing from 0:45 is the maximum power draw all the time the fridge is actively cooling, which is a small percentage of the time on a Compressor Fridge (this is what makes them so efficient in use)

After the video ended I changed the temp dial setting to the normal running one

The Power Monitor in the video records both instantaneous power use and also cumulative power over time. I reset it before commencing the test so can check what power has been drawn by Fridge+Inverter over time.
This testing is being carried out in the winter in an unheated Camper. In warmer weather the Fridge would have to work harder and so use more power, but the same is true of any Fridge of course. When Weather permits I will repeat the experiment.


Notes:
The in-rush current occurs on Compressor Fridges, both AC and DC - this high albeit very short current spike is why it is so important to wire up a DC Compressor Fridge with substantial cable (4mm+ depending on length of run) even though the provided specs of a 12V Fridge might imply a much thinner cable is sufficient with a quoted 3-4A current draw.
If the only use of an Inverter is to run an AC Fridge, that extra cost might make this option not as price-attractive, but if your Camper is using the inverter for other purposes so you will have it anyway, there is no additional cost incurred.
 
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molly 2

Good move , their is a sterling power vidio on u tube comparing 3 types of fridge including a cheap 240v plus inverta fridge ,very informative.
 

wildebus

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Good move , their is a sterling power vidio on u tube comparing 3 types of fridge including a cheap 240v plus inverta fridge ,very informative.
It is an interesting video :) it is a little (just a wee bit :scared: ) skewed to "you must get a Sterling Inverter/combiner/whatever and was misleading on performance of other competitor's makes, but ... the Fridge part is good :cool:
 

hairydog

I don't think the inverter in the picture is a pure sine wave inverter. Getting a 1000W one for £120 seems fairly unlikely.

Not that I think it will matter. PSW ones tend to use more power on standby in my experience and the fridge will be fine with a modified sine wave inverter.

The Sterling comparison video seemed to assume that you would have a stonking great PSW inverter in any case. I would have liked to see more of the actual figures of power consumed.
 

wildebus

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I don't think the inverter in the picture is a pure sine wave inverter. Getting a 1000W one for £120 seems fairly unlikely.

Not that I think it will matter. PSW ones tend to use more power on standby in my experience and the fridge will be fine with a modified sine wave inverter.

The Sterling comparison video seemed to assume that you would have a stonking great PSW inverter in any case. I would have liked to see more of the actual figures of power consumed.

It IS a Pure Sine Wave Inverter. I know not only as I bought it, but when put on a wattmeter that reports hertz, a MSW inverter and a PSW inverter report distinctly different results, as well as voltage differences (a MSW tends to report low AC voltage)
I'm pleased you seem to agree it was good value for a PSW Inverter ;) . I was actually wrong about the price :( just checked ... paid £92 from Amazon 1 year and 10 days ago :)
When I saw it at that price with all the good feedback as well, snapped it up. Only annoyance is the fan is a touch rattlely
(Inverter no longer available sadly if anyone wanted one :( )


Anyway, this thread is NOTHING to do with Inverters, but Fridges. The Inverter is just a route to the Fridge. More info will follow over time to give a consumption average. I will also as said repeat the test in warmer weather AND with the Victron PSW Inverter providing the power.

The Sterling Video is useful for the comparisons between electric fridges. As a overall energy consumption comparison between say all-electric and 3-way fridges, it isn't going to happen from a source like Charlie Sterling as their business is Electric solutions.
 

trevskoda

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The very cheap inverters will not run for long times,but as you say they are only on when required so looks good to me,i missed a as new in box 12v compressor fridge on ebay last week for £270 ,thats life.
 

wildebus

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The very cheap inverters will not run for long times,but as you say they are only on when required so looks good to me,i missed a as new in box 12v compressor fridge on ebay last week for £270 ,thats life.

Buy cheap, buy twice? It can be a problem - same as 'too cheap' 12V compressor fridges ;) there is a Shoreline 12V fridge on eBay for a fiver at the moment. THAT would be a good deal :)

The 1000W inverter in my test was certainly cheap. Would I rely on it to run 24/7 for the fridge? Actually no I would not in fact. And this is why I have a Victron 12/500 Inverter with 5 year Warranty for my 24/7 devices (and which has been running so since November last year with the Fridge always on as well).

Using it (the cheapo 1000W jobby) for this test AS a test :)


The Actual Solution
Victron for Fridge, Laptop Chargers, Network Router and on 24/7.
El Cheapo 1000W for my Cooking and Power Tool needs - so switched on on demand and maybe 1 hour a day on average.
 

hairydog

The last time I looked for PSW inverters, the vast majority of "pure sine wave" inverters were modified sine wave. Even when they had Pure Sine Wave in big writing on the casing. Amazon and eBay seem happy with this sort of misdescription. Have you looked at the output of yours on a scope?
 

Roger

I'm not sure of the rules in the UK about running 240V live whilst driving.
I think it would be wise to have some sort of safety in the event of an accident, eg; engine stops running then power to inverter from the battery circuit is instantly cut. Bit like LPG powered vehicles. May not be 100%, but would cover you in about 99% of accidents. You'd then have to wire in some sort of switch that would have to be turned on when you deliberately stopped the engine.
I admit that I don't know how the circuit protection works in an inverter - instant stop on short circuit?
 

wildebus

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The last time I looked for PSW inverters, the vast majority of "pure sine wave" inverters were modified sine wave. Even when they had Pure Sine Wave in big writing on the casing. Amazon and eBay seem happy with this sort of misdescription. Have you looked at the output of yours on a scope?
Do you ever read replies?
No I don't have a 'scope, but to REPEAT MYSELF. I HAVE COMPARED OUTPUTS OF PSW AND MSW.INVERTERS AND CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE ON A WATTMETER. Is that clear enough?


Also. "The last time you looked ..." . How are you determining this? Buying them all and testing? Comparing descriptions? No,.don't answer here. Create a new thread. Again to repeat myself....THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT 240V AC FRIDGES, NOT INVERTERS.
 
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wildebus

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I'm not sure of the rules in the UK about running 240V live whilst driving.
I think it would be wise to have some sort of safety in the event of an accident, eg; engine stops running then power to inverter from the battery circuit is instantly cut. Bit like LPG powered vehicles. May not be 100%, but would cover you in about 99% of accidents. You'd then have to wire in some sort of switch that would have to be turned on when you deliberately stopped the engine.
I admit that I don't know how the circuit protection works in an inverter - instant stop on short circuit?

Huh? Sorry, but why would it be any more or less dangerous? Your 'wise' idea makes no sense either.
Please explain further the dangers?
 

Nesting Zombie

Hi ya Wildebus,
I have used a 230v Domestic Fridge Via Inverter, Genny & Hook Up in my previous Mobile workshop that I ‘Lived’ Worked outof & Toured around the UK as required & it was fine.
Could you not just do a stand alone bench test in a Garage or whatever using a Solar panel Battery & Fridge To See how it performs ?.
I still use as much Domestic 230v appliances as I can Through out The Nest,
 
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hairydog

Do you ever read replies?
No I don't have a 'scope, but to REPEAT MYSELF. I HAVE COMPARED OUTPUTS OF PSW AND MSW.INVERTERS AND CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE ON A WATTMETER. Is that clear enough?


Also. "The last time you looked ..." . How are you determining this? Buying them all and testing? Comparing descriptions? No,.don't answer here. Create a new thread. Again to repeat myself....THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT 240V AC FRIDGES, NOT INVERTERS.
You neither own the thread nor have sway about what it discusses. You brought up the subject of an inverter and I commented on it. Get over yourself.
 

hairydog

I'm not sure of the rules in the UK about running 240V live whilst driving.
There aren't any. HID headlights are far more likely to be involved in an accident. They run at 30,000 volts.
 
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hairydog

Do you ever read replies?
No I don't have a 'scope, but to REPEAT MYSELF. I HAVE COMPARED OUTPUTS OF PSW AND MSW.INVERTERS AND CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE ON A WATTMETER. Is that clear enough?


Also. "The last time you looked ..." . How are you determining this? Buying them all and testing? Comparing descriptions? No,.don't answer here. Create a new thread. Again to repeat myself....THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT 240V AC FRIDGES, NOT INVERTERS.
Your arrogant rudeness is unnecessary. A simple "no" would have been ample.
 

wildebus

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Hi ya Wildebus,
I have used a 230v Domestic Fridge Via Inverter, Genny & Hook Up in my previous Mobile workshop that I ‘Lived’ Worked outof & Toured around the UK as required & it was fine.
Could you not just do a stand alone bench test in a Garage or whatever using a Solar panel Battery & Fridge To See how it performs ?.
I still use as much Domestic 230v appliances as I can Through out The Nest,

I could, but why would I want to?
Not sure if I am missing your point or if my original post is not clear?

I have fitted a 240V AC Fridge in my Camper.
I thought it might be of interest to report how it performs in terms of energy consumption for other people to see, as so much nonsense is written about using 240V devices and the evil devil of the Inverter sucking the batteries dry.
 

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