MikeH
Assuming I have a weight certificate showing over 3500kg whats next to get it taxed as PHGV?
Rodeo
It can only be changed to phgv at the time of taxing it.I didnt need a weight cert.
This is what they told me to do,and Ive sent it all off today,inc copy of insurance and mot,which the v10 didnt ask for (or I misread it,but sent it anway)
Fill in the v5 changes section.
Download a v10 hgv application form and fill in.
take pics of chassis plate(this may be your achilles heel Mike)
take pics of vehicle showing reg and whole vehicle shot.
Send all off to swansea.
If changing from plg to phgv,then you may still be able to drive it,but mine was more complicated ,as it is nhsv ,therefore may never have had tax previously or summat,dont know.Id sooner be safe than sorry.
This is what they told me to do,and Ive sent it all off today,inc copy of insurance and mot,which the v10 didnt ask for (or I misread it,but sent it anway)
Fill in the v5 changes section.
Download a v10 hgv application form and fill in.
take pics of chassis plate(this may be your achilles heel Mike)
take pics of vehicle showing reg and whole vehicle shot.
Send all off to swansea.
If changing from plg to phgv,then you may still be able to drive it,but mine was more complicated ,as it is nhsv ,therefore may never have had tax previously or summat,dont know.Id sooner be safe than sorry.
MikeH
Thanks Rod. I`m not sure if I`ll bother as I have about 1000kg to make up.
(Your roof vent should be arriving any time now)
(Your roof vent should be arriving any time now)
Rodeo
Its arrived this a.m.,thanks Mike.
Changing to phgv goes on the vehicle weight rating.eg mine is the 4t model,not on the extra load.
Changing to phgv goes on the vehicle weight rating.eg mine is the 4t model,not on the extra load.
Tezza33
Forum Member
You can get it re plated to be over 3500kg by contacting these people
SvTech - Special Vehicle Technology
it can be done without them seeing it I think but they are not far from you anyway
MikeH
listerdiesel
Uprating will require certain conditions to be met in terms of chassis, wheels and tyres etc.
SVTech can upgrade our Mercedes from 5990kg to 6400kg as a paper exercise, no modifications needed, but our back axle is rated at 5.6tonnes, (4.3tonnes in the bus) so they can give me more weight quite easily.
It's the same axle as used in the 7.5tonne 814D I believe.
Peter
SVTech can upgrade our Mercedes from 5990kg to 6400kg as a paper exercise, no modifications needed, but our back axle is rated at 5.6tonnes, (4.3tonnes in the bus) so they can give me more weight quite easily.
It's the same axle as used in the 7.5tonne 814D I believe.
Peter
Rodeo
Waiting for my changeover paperwork to return,but phoned dvla Friday to track progress.All sorted,so Im able to use the van now,and best of all,cheaper tax due to phgv.Sorted!
Teutone
I agree with your comment but had an Iveco in the past I know that the 6.5t vehicle when not loaded are very high at the back axle. I wouldn't fancy this as a motorhome with the constant sloping floor inside.
GRWXJR
My campervan hasn't been changed over from 'van' to 'motorcaravan on the V5. I keep saying I should do it (and I reckon it meets all the criteria)... I just never have as I've had no hassle with it as it is.
My LDV Convoy is a 3.5T twin rear axle jobbie.
My MoT Tester tests it as Class 4 - as he said you test it for what is in front of you, and its clearly set up as a motor caravan.
Dunno if this helps or just muddies the water more - but that is my experience.
G.
My LDV Convoy is a 3.5T twin rear axle jobbie.
My MoT Tester tests it as Class 4 - as he said you test it for what is in front of you, and its clearly set up as a motor caravan.
Dunno if this helps or just muddies the water more - but that is my experience.
G.
Steve121
Not a case of 'should' - it's a legal requirement!
hextal
Don't think there is a legal requirement.
The benefits of doing so are that you can legally travel at higher speeds on certain roads when driving a motor caravan as opposed to a van, and insurance is invariably cheaper whilst covering your kit more comprehensively.
Steve121
It most certainly is a legal requirement:
Statement
It is a legal requirement that all UK registered vehicles are classified correctly on the V5C log book.
All campervans, motor caravans and motorhomes fall into the DVLA category of "Motor Caravan".
If you have converted a van into a motor caravan then you must return the V5C to DVLA for amendment.
Registering a DIY Motor Caravan
Higher speed limit only applies to motor caravans with an unladen weight not exceeding 3.05 tonnes. Speed Limits
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hextal
I'd argue that one to be honest. I've spoken with enough people that have fully complied with the conversion requirements and still had the v5 kicked back as not being a motor caravan. As far as I see it they can't have it both ways.
If you were determined to go 'by the letter' on the issue then you could just un-fix the table and be outside the requirements, so still legally not a motor caravan.
I have a demountable table that sometimes gets left at home, so technically I should reregister the vehicle each time I drive without the table, and then again when I put it back.
I think its a case of being realistic with these issues.
listerdiesel
Our Mercedes 5990kg 614D goes 4000kg with no interior, but with spare wheel and tools and the double passenger seat.
By the time we add the interior, batteries, solar panels, LPG tanks etc etc we will be getting on for 5000kg.
The bus is fitted with 'soft springing' to quote the Mercedes build sheet, so we don't reckon on being too far out on levelling when it is all done.
Add in 600kg of stationary engine(s) in the back, we'll be fine.
Peter
Steve121
Speaking to people who claim to have complied with the requirements means nothing, and of course as neither you nor I work for the relevant department within DVLA we are not qualified to make such judgements. I've seen conversions which theoretically meet the requirements but are so shoddy it beggars belief. Conversions need to be done to a reasonable standard in order to get the body type changed on the V5C.
Another problem is some staff at DVLA don't even know the current requirements, and still reject applications which don't have the 'external appearance of a motor caravan', a requirement which was dropped at least two years ago.
After I completed my conversion, in accordance with the published requirements, I applied for a change to Motor Caravan and received my V5C back, suitably amended, within 7 working days.
hextal
I've seen some of the conversions that have been kicked back and they should have sailed through. As you say, it seems to be something of a lottery as to whether you get someone with current knowledge reviewing the application.
Oh yes, there's some real gems out there. Was chatting to a gas-safe chap that I got to give my gas a once over after i'd installed everything, he had some real horror stories. He said, worryingly, a lot of the dodgy gas installs are by pro-converters:scared: Venting of boiler flues into the habitation area is evidently scarily common!!!
Think mine took about 6 weeks with the DVLA as they lost it, then tried stating that they never received it and it was my fault for not sending it recorded delivery. I told them that that was quite a statement, particularly given that I had, and was currently looking at the recipient's signature. I then had 3 different people chasing it down. I eventually received the amended V5, followed a few days later by a phone call saying that they were really sorry and could not locate it anywhere and i'd need to resubmit the original V5???? I pointed out that i'd received the amended V5, and queried how they would have expected me to send the specific original V5 that they had received and lost given my lack of magic powers.
"Pi$$-up" and "brewery" spring to mind.
Teutone
Fifer
Taxation classes for motorcaravan
Just for general info for anyone who has doubt about motorhome taxation classification.
I wrote to DVLA in June 2015 and eventually 3rd week in October I received all the corrected paperwork (all being sent separately for security reason) and then a cheque for a small refund for this last period of road tax.
It turns out that our Autotrail Apache 700 SE was registered wrongly in Ireland and that the DVLA just went on the information supplied and taxed it accordingly - which is understandable. But after having to do many phone calls and emails, with the latter call being to Fiat direct, when I was able to prove weight of motorhome. It has been a bit of nightmare doing all this work because DVLA's left hand didn't seem to know what the right hand was doing!
Turns out if I had been stopped with the previous paperwork, I could've been charged with driving an overweight vehicle, when in actual fact it was under the legal, properly, registered weight.
For many people it may be worthwhile checking the details on their registration documents. Plus, I now will pay £55 less per year in road tax!
Just for general info for anyone who has doubt about motorhome taxation classification.
I wrote to DVLA in June 2015 and eventually 3rd week in October I received all the corrected paperwork (all being sent separately for security reason) and then a cheque for a small refund for this last period of road tax.
It turns out that our Autotrail Apache 700 SE was registered wrongly in Ireland and that the DVLA just went on the information supplied and taxed it accordingly - which is understandable. But after having to do many phone calls and emails, with the latter call being to Fiat direct, when I was able to prove weight of motorhome. It has been a bit of nightmare doing all this work because DVLA's left hand didn't seem to know what the right hand was doing!
Turns out if I had been stopped with the previous paperwork, I could've been charged with driving an overweight vehicle, when in actual fact it was under the legal, properly, registered weight.
For many people it may be worthwhile checking the details on their registration documents. Plus, I now will pay £55 less per year in road tax!
Debs
Forum Member
I have the Iveco 35S14, and what a pleasure it is to drive and spend time in. I like the rear wheel drive and the extra bit of internal height. Previously with my late husband, we had a succession of Sevels, and one Transit. Hope you will be posting pictures of your build progress.:drive: