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CGSR

Hi All,

Been looking around today for some bits. About a month ago I was going to buy a camper. Instead I bought a Transit, Motocross Bike, Mountain Bike, Surf Board and so on. I want to travel around a bit, but I need to have the internet to keep myself flexible as I work online. This obviously means having some electricity (which would be useful for other things anyway) and the internet.

I was thinking of this Motorhome WiFi | Improving Wireless Range for Caravans and Campervans

Electricity wise I know I need a solar panel, invertor and leisure battery, but not sure what setup. I guess most people have a spare battery as well?

Want to keep on a budget but obviously would rahter spend the cash rather than worrying about running out.

Thanks
 

iampatman

Have a look at Solwise for similar & cheaper kit to the one you mention, and there's cheap stuff on eBay from China but usually without instructions so you need to know what you're doing. Solar panel and additional battery a good idea but I'd check whether you need an Invertor. What do you need power for & can it run off 12v? If the answer is yes then forget the Invertor.
 

CGSR

No idea what I'm doing with any of it to be honest :) Was hoping to find a post saying "I bought this battery and solar panel and fixed it like this"...but no such luck! I'll check out SolWise thanks.
 

maingate

Forum Member
Motorhome wifi sell the best kit for long range reception. I use one of their directional aerials and get good results.

For Winter use, you will need plenty of solar, I would say at least 200 watts. About 200 amp/hour of battery power also. You will find that solar does not do a lot in Winter and add to that your 12 volt requirements will be greater.

A small generator (1 kilowatt) would suffice as a backup for winter.

It would all depend on how long your Winter trips would be and what other power hungry devices you would carry. It is all subjective.
 

CGSR

My LapTop says 2.37A & 19V on it. I guess I'd like the power to run that, my phone charger (a 3 hour charge once a week) and my shaver (probably the same as my phone) for around 2 weeks minimum.

I'd also need the power for whatever internet I use, when I figure out what it is that I need.

As you might be able to tell, I'm not particularly hot on amp hour this and that!

Are you sure I need 200amp for that + charging? I've only ever used leisure batteries for a small water pump and it lasted for hours and I'm sure it was only a 65a battery.
 

Shindig

Have a look at Solwise for similar & cheaper kit to the one you mention, and there's cheap stuff on eBay from China but usually without instructions so you need to know what you're doing. Solar panel and additional battery a good idea but I'd check whether you need an Invertor. What do you need power for & can it run off 12v? If the answer is yes then forget the Invertor.

I had a 12v adaptor for my laptop well worth looking in that direction 1st.

We have a wifi higain arial that is USB powered so if you can run your laptop via the 12v system and your wifi receiver via your USB then 2 birds.
 

voyagerstan

i would say 80 watt panel regulator and as big a batery you can fit in (amp hour ) and a small inverter which is handy for all sorts of things and i would defo charge your laptop through that . i have done the 12 volt route and the charger got so hot it melted itself . good luck with your plans . :pc: stan
 

CGSR

Directional wise, I can see a £70 and £160 product. I think it best just to email them! From what I see 90EURO a month for internet on top of the kit...seems a bit steep! I assume I could use another product? What internet service do you use? I've found dongles for £82 for 12gb (use whenever I like...would probably last 3 months) and then 4gb dongles for around £20 a month 12/mo contracts? Or am I completely missing the point here :)

I guess it's because it includes EURO countries, whereas the Voda/Orange etc will probably be charged at an extra rate. I probably won't be going to another country for a while so could start with a UK one.
 

CGSR

Good shout on the car charger too, will get around 10 hours+ charging per trip from that to save a bit on the leisure battery. Size probably isn't an issue, just go on price...the best I can get for about £150-200?
 

maingate

Forum Member
Remember that a long range wifi aerial will take power from your laptop battery. I use a netbook because they have a longer battery life.

On the subject of solar, an 80 watt panel will be sufficient ..... but probably not in Winter. You need to give more information on what length trips you will be making in cold weather.

You will need LED lights for the long Winter nights. Heating will use battery power, you will also need to carry sufficient gas for heating, even with good insulation.
 

CGSR

Hey,

Think I've worked out the majority of what I need...finally. I can test them on a few short trips. Thanks for all the advice.

So you are using FON? Is it the £70 aerial you are using?

For now, they are just short trips (4-7 days). I'll be sleeping in a tent most of the time, sometimes in the back - not really one for luxuries so i've not even bothered converting it. I've camped on mountains in 2ft of snow and -14, so insulation won't be a problem ;)

Will go to the odd camp site on my travels too. Drive around, do some surfing/camping/biking...no real plans.

My van is there really to carry all my stuff, although I could sleep in it if I really wanted...bit of a DIY job!
 

maingate

Forum Member
I get Fon for free because I am a BT customer.

My aerial was around £70 normally but was reduced in price as they were bringing out a newer version and discontinuing mine.

Another point to consider in cold weather. It hammers batteries, if you have no heating in the van it will decrease the efficiency of your Leisure battery and give you less amp hours.
 

geebus

What other things do you want the power for?

If it's not that important, unless you've got an annoying one like my large Dell, you should be able to use a universal car adaptor.
This will save you getting an inverter and have less losses - probably less losses than your 240v charger too, as it's just DC to DV with a fairly similar voltage (however, probably will depend the technique used.)

DC is also fine for running lights and various other things, but less flexible than an inverter.

How often do you expect to be driving? If you're driving every day and charge the laptop up while driving, you should be fine with just one extra small battery, if that - I've done similar with a motorbike and with riding every day have had enough charge to use a netbook in the evenings, worst case running the bike for a bit - for the cost of a solar panel and controller, you can run the engine for a good long time!

A solar panel of course can't be relied upon to give decent power all the time.

Your laptop is quite low powered 45w or so - unfortunately mine is over 3 times that.
One thing you could consider is just getting a few spare laptop batteries and charging these from your van battery with the engine running - maybe with a hobby charger to give a decent charge while doing them all at once.
If this all you need, saves money for fuel for the mx bike (nice choice on fun things over living accommodation by the way - a fair bit of the last ten years have been like that for me too :) ).

Back to having a working 240v solar powered system, which is what I've currently got.
The best value panel I've seen is a 290w from bimble solar for £166 + £30 delivery (but you save on deliverly if you get multiple - when I have some cash to splash I hope to get 4 thanks to a large roof).
You will need a mppt controller to go with that.
If you get a 12v panel you can get away with a pwm controller, but if you use it with a 24v on a 12v system you'll lose a lot of power.

For the leisure battery, bigger is always better.
Ideally go for a true deep cycle one - most marketed as 'leisure batteries' are just car starter batteries with a different sticker.
Flooded lead acid (not sealed) is the best value.
6x 2v single cells can be got fairly cheaply and will give you loads of power that will last you a long time in bad weather with no solar. But will weigh about 200kg - when you get the rest of a conversion done, that might not leave you with much weight left.
Trojan 6v batteries have a good reputation too; go for the 're' versions if you can as they work better to low discharge.
My current favourite choice for "when I have money" is Elcosol 270ah batteries, but they have a mixed reputation.

For the inverter; go for a pure sine wave if you can.
If you don't need a big one, don't get one; a small one won't use as much and will be more efficient for a lower power output.
Modified sine wave my make your power supply buzz a bit - but are cheaper.
The cheap Chinese ones are just that - my 1000w cheap chinese one is under half the size and weight of my 800w one from Maplins - the latter is 24v, but that actually means it should be smaller as there's less of a difference in voltage I believe!
However, the cheap one does power a laptop ok - but the fan is always on, while the Maplins one only has it come on when hot.

I just tethered internet through my mobile and been fairly happy with that so far - £1 a day extra to tether through Orange outside my first 1.75gb. Costs me about the same as if I had phone+broadband at home. I used something like 36gb last month. (Panther plan on orange - other plans you'll end up paying £2 per day.)
I have been looking at long range wifi aerials recently - there are ones that claim better than 12dbi for less money on ebay. I'm presuming you realise that you don't need a wifi aerial if you're doing it through a dongle or your phone?
 

CGSR

Thanks for all the info.

I'd imagine 1 hour driving a day, which at home gives about a 1.5-2 hour charge.

I've gone for the FON box + Omni Directional due to the amount of FON hotspots there seem to be.

Thanks for all the advice on batteries. For now, for the amount of time I'm on the road and the unreliability of Solar, it might be worth just taking stock of leisure/laptop batteries and going from there. Will have a good think through today. Can always add to them over time. :)

Thanks again all.
 

wildman

You don't say where you are but the fix it meet here in Ilfracombe next week will have loads of setups for you to look at. Think about coming.
Summertime no problem with solar, winter you will be down to milliamps most days, batteries will be damaged if you discharge lower than 50%. In general two or even three 110 amp/hour batteries and 160W of solar will suffice. In the winter you will need to run the van engine or a generator to keep topped up. A B2B charger though expencive works for most people. A 150W sinewave inverter is cheap and will run various chargers as required. A netbook has good battery life and a tablet even better.
For wifi you will need an antenna most of the time and a fon box at home for access to the system. A mifi or dongle for prepaid sims. Mifi if you have a tablet or use more than one device at a time.
You can also tether your phone if you have internet on it with unlimited data. Lots of ways around everything so come to the meet and discuss over a pint or three all aspects of your problems.
 

geebus

If you're driving an hour every day, I'd certainly consider possibly a higher ampage alternator with an advanced alternator regulator.
You might not get to 'float' so often, but you should be able to give batteries a good hefty lump of amp-hours, especially if you've got a few batteries.

And of course, if you don't mind running the vehicle engine for bits, effectively gives you a 'generator' - may cost a bit more than a petrol generator to run, but you've already got £100+ in your back pocket from not buying one and also don't have to lug petrol around (it annoys me that I have to restock three fuels - diesel, petrol and gas.)
 

CGSR

I'm logging all this information as I go.

What I probably should've stated is the following.

I have a motocross bike in the back which is one of the main reasons I won't be sleeping in it (the tanks are not sealed 100%, so lots of fumes).

Essentially the van is there to carry me/my toys and get me to places like Langdale, Snowdon, MTB trails, MX tracks. Conversion wise in the long term I'd consider making the back "comfortable" but it would never be slept in whilst I have the MX bike in there...I'd use a tent.

Filling up wise, I already have to fill up petrol and I was half thinking about a generator as a back up option..some second hand options kicking around for under £50 giving out 1000W (or thereabouts) and running at around £1 per hour.

Although I'm not yet decided I'm thinking of the following:

2 x 88ah I found on eBay for £101 delivered (deep cycle)...add a few more to this as I go further/longer duration.
Charge batteries prior to leaving using RAC smart charger £35
Laptop charger running from Cigarette lighter (£15)
Cigarette lighter connector, connected to leisure for when the engine isn't on (£10)
Campsite hookup (I'd go to a site any time I'm away for more than 2 days to wash up/shower etc anyway) with multiplug which would mean charging a battery + any other appliances for the duration of my stay (£20 max)
Possibly a spare laptop battery fully charged, although this has to be connected to my laptop in order for me to recharge...gives me that extra 3-4 hours if I'm desperate though. (£20 ish)

On the move charging for leisure battery I'm possibly thinking;
Generator (when I'm at MX tracks, out of the way, or at camp sites that allow it) (£50 used)
Campsite multi mentioned above

Considering the above as a lot of people are basically suggesting a solar unit is going to give me next to nothing. Based on a few calculations, I'd be better just buying an extra battery/charger and using the generator/campsite hook up.
 

CGSR

You don't say where you are but the fix it meet here in Ilfracombe next week will have loads of setups for you to look at. Think about coming.
Summertime no problem with solar, winter you will be down to milliamps most days, batteries will be damaged if you discharge lower than 50%. In general two or even three 110 amp/hour batteries and 160W of solar will suffice. In the winter you will need to run the van engine or a generator to keep topped up. A B2B charger though expencive works for most people. A 150W sinewave inverter is cheap and will run various chargers as required. A netbook has good battery life and a tablet even better.
For wifi you will need an antenna most of the time and a fon box at home for access to the system. A mifi or dongle for prepaid sims. Mifi if you have a tablet or use more than one device at a time.
You can also tether your phone if you have internet on it with unlimited data. Lots of ways around everything so come to the meet and discuss over a pint or three all aspects of your problems.

200 Miles Away I'm Afraid...Sunny South Wales!
 

Firefox

I've got BT openzone which includes all the FON stuff too.

I don't think it's worth having, the amount of times you can get a decent signal is small compared to Three PAYG.

The best for mobile internet is 3G. I use Three PAYG which is the best UK coverage.
 

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